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The Stupidity Of Liberals: Chapter 1 - Unions

Only someone as stupid as a liberal would be in favor of something as ridiculous as a union. What was once used as a protection for people who's lives were in danger is now the center for some infamous socialist propoganda that your skills are actually worth anything. The obvious example right now? Teachers in Chicago.


Surprised by who is out there protesting, much?

The teachers in Chicago are currently on protest for their wages. Mind you, teaching in a public school is nothing. It's not challenging. It's not hard to start. It's not hard to maintain. The amount of "teachers" is off the charts.
-I sure wish I could have recess, lunch, and get off at 3:00.
-It takes little to no skill - and a bachelors degree in what you already learned is nothing of that sort
-You can fuck your students in your free time!
-It would be great to have a "Spring Break" at a moments notice, plus getting the summer off! Heeeey! Fun Shtuff!

Yet, apparently - an average of $76k for a year - which is WAY over the national average, mind you - is not enough. Better yet - offering the teachers in this union 14% more over the next 4 years isn't even good enough. No - no - no, putting up with kids in an air conditioned class room is MUCH more harsh work, you need a union in order to "protect" such hard working... the labor of working until 3 and grading homework oh no! Let's not forget all the "Holidays" that students get as well.

Nothing makes me laugh more than the day that there really is a FAR superior amount of excess non-skilled labor that a huge ass group would gladly take the place of the current union members that are too busy bitching up a storm. The amount of retards (especially women) that graduate with the idea of teaching is laughable. It's not much of a skill - let alone much training - yet it's something that apparently needs a union

What was once made for the protection of human lives is now a center for human disgrace. People like this should be slaughtered like cattle for their stupidity that is obviously being passed on to this generation of failure.
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I'm not going to comment on unions, however:

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Mind you, teaching in a public school is nothing. It's not challenging. It's not hard to start. It's not hard to maintain. The amount of "teachers" is off the charts.
If that's your opinion on education, you either a) never had a good teacher b) don't value education c) have no idea what you're talking about d) all of the above.

Becoming a teacher may not be the most difficult profession to qualified for, but being a good or great teacher is something that people have to work hard at.
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76k after taxes really isn't much, especially in a big city like chicago.

yeah unions are abusive but i much rather people in those positions abuse whatever little power they have to get a little bit more out of their labor than some CFO at goldman sachs abusing his government contacts to take home a 20 million dollar bonus every fiscal quarter

though i do agree most public school teachers are complete dolts
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The teachers in Chicago are currently on protest for their wages. Mind you, teaching in a public school is nothing. It's not challenging. It's not hard to start. It's not hard to maintain. The amount of "teachers" is off the charts.
I disagree with this. Have you ever tried to teach anything formally? Did you ever take any science course in college where the professor was brilliant but couldn't teach? I think it's a lot more difficult than you think.
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-I sure wish I could have recess, lunch, and get off at 3:00.
Are the teachers grading homework while they teach?
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-It takes little to no skill - and a bachelors degree in what you already learned is nothing of that sort
Around here, you need a Master's degree, and if not that I think you need a certificate in most parts of the country. Please define little to no skill.
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-It would be great to have a "Spring Break" at a moments notice, plus getting the summer off! Heeeey! Fun Shtuff!
Can't argue with that one, I guess.
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Yet, apparently - an average of $76k for a year - which is WAY over the national average, mind you
Chicago is a fairly expensive area, so one would expect that they get paid way over the national average. Average national income for any profession for someone (experienced) with a Bachelor's degree is in the $50k range.

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Nothing makes me laugh more than the day that there really is a FAR superior amount of excess non-skilled labor that a huge ass group would gladly take the place of the current union members that are too busy bitching up a storm. The amount of retards (especially women) that graduate with the idea of teaching is laughable. It's not much of a skill - let alone much training - yet it's something that apparently needs a union
I guess you could say that about English/Social Studies/Humanities (and I think it's harsh to say that those fields are "non-skilled"), but good Math and Science teachers are still very much in demand.
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76k after taxes really isn't much, especially in a big city like chicago.
It's 50% more than the household income average in Chicago.
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Yes, teachers, who are entrusted with educating and protecting children, are vastly overpaid. We should just get any old GED stumblebum willing to work for minimum wage to do that job. I'm sure that will not negatively impact our public education system in any way. In fact, we should be able to turn out more great thinkers like you.

So, once again, if ordinary people collectively bargain for decent pay, benefits and a pension, that is evil anti-capitalist communism that is destroying our nation but if wealthy elites negotiate obscene salaries, cadilac health care plans and giant golden parachutes, that is just good business and companies need to pay those people what they ask or they will take their talent elsewhere.

My mom was a science teacher. She had a BA, two Masters and multiple certifications. She used to spend all that free time she had during winter and spring break grading papers and working on her upcoming lessons and all that free time she had on her summers off she spent getting new certifications or getting re-certified.
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We should just get any old GED stumblebum willing to work for minimum wage to do that job.



minimum wage is too much. We can hire any space cadet to do that job. $50!
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76k after taxes really isn't much, especially in a big city like chicago.

yeah unions are abusive but i much rather people in those positions abuse whatever little power they have to get a little bit more out of their labor than some CFO at goldman sachs abusing his government contacts to take home a 20 million dollar bonus every fiscal quarter

though i do agree most public school teachers are complete dolts

76k after taxes isn't much? Tell that to the other 70% of the country. It's not much to me either - but it's damn good compared to just a welfare check. Mind you - that is also average, the combination of kids just out of college, and people who have been there for a while.

Considering how much teachers suck today, you know what they are fighting about now? The fact that in order for them to get the increase in paycheck (I would LOVE to get an instant 14% boost, wouldn't you?) - they are now fighting the fact that in order for them to get their raise, they have to agree to be evaluated on their performance. You know - that thing all of us in the private industry are ALWAYS evaluated on?

Nevertheless, my main point is that the entire basis of what a union was for has been killed, dug up, and had the corpse violated and raped. It's PATHETIC and is a symbol of "lazy american". If you suck at your job, you should be canned. It's hard enough already to find enough evidence to fire someone, but then you have a union of jackasses that will "protect" you - regardless of how much your work ACTUALLY SUCKS.
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Yes, teachers, who are entrusted with educating and protecting children, are vastly overpaid. We should just get any old GED stumblebum willing to work for minimum wage to do that job. I'm sure that will not negatively impact our public education system in any way. In fact, we should be able to turn out more great thinkers like you.

So, once again, if ordinary people collectively bargain for decent pay, benefits and a pension, that is evil anti-capitalist communism that is destroying our nation but if wealthy elites negotiate obscene salaries, cadilac health care plans and giant golden parachutes, that is just good business and companies need to pay those people what they ask or they will take their talent elsewhere.

My mom was a science teacher. She had a BA, two Masters and multiple certifications. She used to spend all that free time she had during winter and spring break grading papers and working on her upcoming lessons and all that free time she had on her summers off she spent getting new certifications or getting re-certified.

That's just it you fucking dolt. The unions are protecting the SHIT teachers you You know, that jackass that never does any work that annoys the shit out of you? Yeah, that union is "protecting" him, regardless of the fact that he doesn't work for shit, lazy as all fuck, and makes our next generation retarded.
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That's just it you fucking dolt. The unions are protecting the SHIT teachers you You know, that jackass that never does any work that annoys the shit out of you? Yeah, that union is "protecting" him, regardless of the fact that he doesn't work for shit, lazy as all fuck, and makes our next generation retarded.

So, if we get rid of the few bad apples, you will be OK with teachers being paid $76k a year? Or are all the teachers shit teachers who are being protected by the union?
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I disagree with this. Have you ever tried to teach anything formally? Did you ever take any science course in college where the professor was brilliant but couldn't teach? I think it's a lot more difficult than you think.
Are the teachers grading homework while they teach?
Around here, you need a Master's degree, and if not that I think you need a certificate in most parts of the country. Please define little to no skill.
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Can't argue with that one, I guess.
Chicago is a fairly expensive area, so one would expect that they get paid way over the national average. Average national income for any profession for someone (experienced) with a Bachelor's degree is in the $50k range.

I guess you could say that about English/Social Studies/Humanities (and I think it's harsh to say that those fields are "non-skilled"), but good Math and Science teachers are still very much in demand.

Teachers can grade however - whenever. Your ability to take out a key of a homework and see if A matches the correct answer C isn't hard - it isn't time consuming - it doesn't keep you up till 2 AM unless you wait until the day before report cards are due. And there is 0 leverage for saying you have to grade papers on your own time - most schools are out by 3. Everyone else works till 5 no matter what.

Last I recall, simply grade school teaching required simply a bachelors. I know plenty that are doing it straight out of graduation. I'm not talking college professors here.

Math and Science - Specifically the science - I will TOTALLY not argue with you there. That's fine. Unless your talking College Grade Calc 2 or something - Math doesn't apply. Science, I can agree with.
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Teachers can grade however - whenever. Your ability to take out a key of a homework and see if A matches the correct answer C isn't hard - it isn't time consuming - it doesn't keep you up till 2 AM unless you wait until the day before report cards are due. And there is 0 leverage for saying you have to grade papers on your own time - most schools are out by 3. Everyone else works till 5 no matter what.

Last I recall, simply grade school teaching required simply a bachelors. I know plenty that are doing it straight out of graduation. I'm not talking college professors here.

Math and Science - Specifically the science - I will TOTALLY not argue with you there. That's fine. Unless your talking College Grade Calc 2 or something - Math doesn't apply. Science, I can agree with.

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So, if we get rid of the few bad apples, you will be OK with teachers being paid $76k a year? Or are all the teachers shit teachers who are being protected by the union?

I would be 100x more willing to pay our teachers that as long as they can be fired on the spot just like anyone in the private sector can. I work in Finance - if my numbers suck at the end of the month / quarter, I can get canned if it is persistent and I have no backup to show I was working. The problem is that our kids are coming out MORE and MORE retarded the more time goes on.

Same should go for teachers. If you continue to have kids fail, you should be canned too - HOWEVER, if you can prove that you tried - as in you went the extra mile with those particular bad apples, than fine - you showed your due diligence.

Instead, we have "unions" demanding hire wages, yet keeping bad lazy workers in the workforce. It teaches 0 discipline. It teaches you not to work hard. It teaches you the idea that are not replaceable - even though you are.
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