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durr hurrr let's replace unions with lawsuits



why even entertain him, it's like beating up handicapped people
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:14 PM Straw Man is offline  
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there was once a guy at my school who said teachers weren't "real" public workers like police officers and firefighters
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Aside from the fact that every single person protesting in the pic of the OP looks retarded, perhaps this will speak better for the mindless scrubs that manage a register at taco bell.

Protip: You are probably a part in the higher end of these statistics

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With the highest graduation rate of the 5, Chicago still barely manages to graduate more than half of its Urban District students with a high school graduation rate of 55.7%–this according to the special analytic report on high school graduation published by America's Promise Alliance. According to the Illinois Criminal Justice Authority's most recent annual report, almost 300,000 youth live in poverty in Chicago's Cook County. Over 26,000 crimes again youth have been reported. Over 31,000 youth in Cook County have been arrested for criminal offenses; and of those arrested, 72% were African-American youth, the highest of any other minority group. Chicago's struggle with youth violence has received national attention over the past year. In the previous academic school year, 36 Chicago-area students have been killed, with the recent death of 16-year old Derrion Albert receiving the most national attention. According to the most recent data on Infant Mortality by the Cook County Public Health, African-Americans have a mortality rate of 14.7 per 1000 births, also the highest of any racial group. Chicago's unemployment rate stands at 10%. For Chicago's zipcode of 60603, more than $800,000,000 in Recovery Act funds has been received, with a dismal 19 jobs created.
Is the highest failure rate enough truth? Or should we go ahead and scream some more "It's not completely their fault!11". It's either that - or you are saying that only mentally handicapped people live in Chicago, so which is it? Now how about you combine that highest failure rate with the highest pay for any other city for teachers. Does that make this union sound more useful? It sure does look like it's getting the job done for keeping worthless people receiving a paycheck.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:46 AM s0me0nesmind1 is offline  
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Teachers usually arrive at school long before school starts and they usually stay long after it ends. They don't just breeze in at 8 and out at 3. I used to be at school at around 7 and was regularly there until after 5 until I could drive myself to and from school and didn't have to follow my mothers schedule.

And no, grading homework against an answer key is not very hard. But teachers usually have multiple classes with over 30 kids in them so one homework assignment from one day means going over the same answer key over a hundred times.

Teachers do not have it anywhere near as easy as you think they do.

We had a limit of 20 kids per class. Law signed in by democrat governor. Passed by democrat majority state house.
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Yes, teachers, who are entrusted with educating and protecting children, are vastly overpaid. We should just get any old GED stumblebum willing to work for minimum wage to do that job. I'm sure that will not negatively impact our public education system in any way. In fact, we should be able to turn out more great thinkers like you.

So, once again, if ordinary people collectively bargain for decent pay, benefits and a pension, that is evil anti-capitalist communism that is destroying our nation but if wealthy elites negotiate obscene salaries, cadilac health care plans and giant golden parachutes, that is just good business and companies need to pay those people what they ask or they will take their talent elsewhere.

My mom was a science teacher. She had a BA, two Masters and multiple certifications. She used to spend all that free time she had during winter and spring break grading papers and working on her upcoming lessons and all that free time she had on her summers off she spent getting new certifications or getting re-certified.

Too bad there are no such things as lesson plans anymore. Just spew out state ciriculum.
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Aside from the fact that every single person protesting in the pic of the OP looks retarded, perhaps this will speak better for the mindless scrubs that manage a register at taco bell.

Protip: You are probably a part in the higher end of these statistics



Is the highest failure rate enough truth? Or should we go ahead and scream some more "It's not completely their fault!11". It's either that - or you are saying that only mentally handicapped people live in Chicago, so which is it? Now how about you combine that highest failure rate with the highest pay for any other city for teachers. Does that make this union sound more useful? It sure does look like it's getting the job done for keeping worthless people receiving a paycheck.

You do recognize that you took that from an article that describes the 5 worst cities in America for urban youth, right? You saw that in that article Chicago is listed as the number 1 worst city in America for urban youth? Did you see that despite Chicago being the worst city, they had the best graduation rate?
To me it sounds like Chicago teachers deserve a raise or two.
Full article:
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=9083935

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Too bad there are no such things as lesson plans anymore. Just spew out state ciriculum.

State curriculum dictates what you are to teach and the skills where the students need to achieve proficiency. It does not dictate how you teach it, or how you assess it. That is up to individual teachers and their schools/administration. I assure you, lesson plans are a thing. It's not like it's a little post-it note that says "TODAY WE DO MATH" or some shit like that, there's an anchor standard, as well as a specific lesson objective. There's an indication of how you will assess the students' learning. You have to consider their prior knowledge, you may have to do something that is an inderdisciplinary project (e.g. a writing task in Language Arts that relies on students to write about something related to what they've been learning in their Social Studies class), you have to understand the different IEPs and 504s and such of the students and be able to differentiate your instruction and assignments and assessments to meet their needs, you have to have extra enrichment oppportunities for gifted students, you have to consider how you will maintain management of your class during transition periods between lessons, you need to include every single material you will need (and purchase yourself the ones your school won't or can't), you have to take into consderation things like the time of the class (first class in the morning is different from right after lunch- in the morning it needs to be peppy to make sure they're awake and alert, after lunch you want something calm because they're hyped up from recess, etc).
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Too bad there are no such things as lesson plans anymore. Just spew out state ciriculum.

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Let me see, states with the strongest teacher's unions: Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire. States with the weakest: Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, South Carolina.
I'll let you have one guess which states have better schools by every conceivable measure.
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the fucking talks dissolved because their demands weren't met anywhere else

14% was the pay increase

You're right as it turns out, the 30% was misinformation that had started to get reported in various articles.
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Let me see, states with the strongest teacher's unions: Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire. States with the weakest: Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, South Carolina.
I'll let you have one guess which states have better schools by every conceivable measure.

There are just a few other factors at play there.

Also Virginia has no teacher's unions and extremely good schools, especially in the wealthier areas. The best districts are substantially better than Maryland counties right across the river, which do have unions.
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You're right as it turns out, the 30% was misinformation that had started to get reported in various articles.

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Hooray for good reporting

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There are just a few other factors at play there.

Also Virginia has no teacher's unions and extremely good schools, especially in the wealthier areas. The best districts are substantially better than Maryland counties right across the river, which do have unions.

So it's ok only for wealthy areas to have good schools?

Also Virginia is a good outlier in this case. Yes, weak unions but it has something in common with more unionized states - higher spending per pupil. The prioritize education spending unlike the other unionized states. If we could count on states and local gov't to not cut education spending as the first resort to any revenue shortfalls we wouldn't need unions. But that's not the case. Without unions, education budgets and teachers are an easy target for cuts.
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So it's ok only for wealthy areas to have good schools?

Also Virginia is a good outlier in this case. Yes, weak unions but it has something in common with more unionized states - higher spending per pupil. The prioritize education spending unlike the other unionized states. If we could count on states and local gov't to not cut education spending as the first resort to any revenue shortfalls we wouldn't need unions. But that's not the case. Without unions, education budgets and teachers are an easy target for cuts.

Yes, because the unions are definitely asking for more money for supplies and tools around the school. They are worried about the kids and their future, right? Has very little to do with a random spike of 14% raise, does it?

Between retarded schools asking for iPads and iMacs for students, education DOES need a cut. I would love to smack the fucking kids, slam a pencil in their eye, toss a text book and pad of paper and tell them to get to working. But nope... The intellects of this generation teachers says "We need to modernize! If we get $2000 computers and loan them out for students to ruin, they will TOTALLY be into studying!"
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There are just a few other factors at play there.

Also Virginia has no teacher's unions and extremely good schools, especially in the wealthier areas. The best districts are substantially better than Maryland counties right across the river, which do have unions.

Howard and Montgomery have just as good schools
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