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Old 09-12-2012, 03:37 PM Patriotic Eagle is offline  
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Comparing lucky snots - either born or by taking risks - is called jealousy. Try working for a living, I hear it can be useful to getting there.
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Comparing lucky snots - either born or by taking risks - is called jealousy. Try working for a living, I hear it can be useful to getting there.

how about you respond to all the posts proving you're an idiot
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how about you respond to all the posts proving you're an idiot
I don't think he's capable. The post you quoted is a perfect example of the thought process. It's the world view of sixth grader who listens to right wing talk radio all day. Manufactured resentments repeated over and over. You can't FIRE anyone!!! bla bla bla. Everything seems to be animated by a seething obsession that somewhere out there there's someone who is getting something he shouldn't be. And to him it's worth doing just about anything to stop it. Pretending that the world is split into two categories: 1) the achievers, and 2) the lazy nigras, apparently helps with the underlying self esteem issues.
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Yes, because the unions are definitely asking for more money for supplies and tools around the school. They are worried about the kids and their future, right? Has very little to do with a random spike of 14% raise, does it?

Between retarded schools asking for iPads and iMacs for students, education DOES need a cut. I would love to smack the fucking kids, slam a pencil in their eye, toss a text book and pad of paper and tell them to get to working. But nope... The intellects of this generation teachers says "We need to modernize! If we get $2000 computers and loan them out for students to ruin, they will TOTALLY be into studying!"

Why bother keeping up with technology? Forget the pencil and fancy building too, let's just draw in the dirt with our toes. it's cheaper yet.




You are so out of touch with the world it's actually cute in a way.
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Comparing lucky snots - either born or by taking risks - is called jealousy. Try working for a living, I hear it can be useful to getting there.

Right because a teacher doesn't work for a living. Nor does a plumber or a janitor. They just goof off all day having fun, with no risks.


You are without a doubt THE biggest fucking moron on this whole forum.
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So it's ok only for wealthy areas to have good schools?

Also Virginia is a good outlier in this case. Yes, weak unions but it has something in common with more unionized states - higher spending per pupil. The prioritize education spending unlike the other unionized states. If we could count on states and local gov't to not cut education spending as the first resort to any revenue shortfalls we wouldn't need unions. But that's not the case. Without unions, education budgets and teachers are an easy target for cuts.

I didn't say it was ok, I said there are stronger correlations than "union states = good schools."
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This is pathetic

YOU are pathetic!
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Howard and Montgomery have just as good schools

Montgomery is going downhill, especially certain districts. Lots of people moving out to Howard. I don't know as much about Howard, but Loudoun and especially Fairfax are substantially better than most of MoCo these days.

Not surprisingly, Howard is richer than MoCo these days. Whiter too. Fairfax and Loudoun are richer than either.
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Aside from the fact that every single person protesting in the pic of the OP looks retarded

This pretty much sums up his world view.

Post a pic for us. Let us marvel in your non-retardedness.
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I didn't say it was ok, I said there are stronger correlations than "union states = good schools."

yeah correlations like "good teachers = good schools" Guess what, if you want to attract bright educated people to a profession and keep them there you need to offer them a little bit more than a barely middle class wage.
Now before you start again with "other factors", teacher salary is THE determining fact in education no matter how you spin it.
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yeah correlations like "good teachers = good schools" Guess what, if you want to attract bright educated people to a profession and keep them there you need to offer them a little bit more than a barely middle class wage.
Now before you start again with "other factors", teacher salary is THE determining fact in education no matter how you spin it.

Please to be providing evidence.

Anecdotally, there are plenty of areas around here that don't fit that formula in terms of absolute outcomes. Fairfax County has about the best schools in the nation but pays ~20% less than Montgomery County across the river. There are big variations across MoCo too, and the union has mandated that there aren't regional variations in pay so...


I agree that you need to pay more than "barely middle class wages" to get and retain decent teachers, especially in a shitty area like most of Chicago. However, teachers rarely go into it for the money and rarely leave because of low salaries. They leave because of other shitty elements of the job. Teachers want to teach, you just need to pay them enough to not go looking for something else. People who aren't intrinsically motivated to teach aren't going to want to stay in the profession unless you pay them more than they'd make in the private sector and those aren't people who are going to make the best teachers long term anyway. Raising wages past a certain point really isn't going to have that big an effect outside of limited situations.

I left teaching because I couldn't see myself doing it for a career. I was getting bored after two years, and I didn't have to deal with all the shitty elements K-12 public school teachers do. They would have needed to pay me a hell of a lot more to make it worth it, and I probably wouldn't have been a good teacher in 10+ years if I just stayed in for the $$$.

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this, by the way, is an enormous problem in america. everyone i talk to outside the states is always completely shocked with the fact that there isn't such a thing as a federal K12 school program here. and therefore no strictly centralized federal funding for schools either.

And without what little federal control over education that there is, educational disparities (particularly racial) would be even more fucked
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