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No cut spending. Cut all the spending.



Just have the socialists you support pick a career for them.


But in reality they do it in other countries and seems to work out just fine.
You end up with highly skilled laborers because, honestly you now as we'll as I do that some people are never going to be able to do anything beyond assembling shit on a line.


Having the choice to learn a trade or prep for college is a smart idea.

Instead of wasting time and taxpayer money educating those who do not want to be educated, you teach them a trade that will be highly valuable.

And those who want to go to college can have more one on one learning experience and prepare to run a company, design machines/software.


It's not that hard.
Forcing kids into trade schools so early in their lives will disproportionately push the poor -- especially poor minorities -- towards jobs that earn less money and less respect, which can have a number of consequences beyond an individual's immediate economic/social status. It would make more sense to promote trade schools as an alternative to post-secondary education rather than an alternative to high school. Ideally we would also reform the education system so that all students are on a more equal footing
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Ideally we would also reform the education system so that all
students are on a more equal footing

Explain. I was pissed off at efforts to make me stupid while I was still in high school for the sake of putting students on equal footing. Can you level the playing field without lowering standards?
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Forcing kids into trade schools so early in their lives will disproportionately push the poor -- especially poor minorities -- towards jobs that earn less money and less respect, which can have a number of consequences beyond an individual's immediate economic/social status. It would make more sense to promote trade schools as an alternative to post-secondary education rather than an alternative to high school. Ideally we would also reform the education system so that all students are on a more equal footing

The Germans split kids off into "university" and "vocational" tracks really early and it works out reasonably well. I don't think it fits into the US culture though, we like the idea that anybody can "make it" and do whatever they want if they work hard enough etc etc.

Certainly doesn't make sense to let the kids decide, kids are fucking stupid at least until they graduate high school.
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The Germans split kids off into "university" and "vocational" tracks really early and it works out reasonably well. I don't think it fits into the US culture though, we like the idea that anybody can "make it" and do whatever they want if they work hard enough etc etc.

Certainly doesn't make sense to let the kids decide, kids are fucking stupid at least until they graduate high school.

We already track our kids by putting them into "honors"/"GT" and non-honors. The result: honors classes are disproportionately white middle class. That's why I'm hesitant to adopt the German system.
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The Germans split kids off into "university" and "vocational" tracks really early and it works out reasonably well. I don't think it fits into the US culture though, we like the idea that anybody can "make it" and do whatever they want if they work hard enough etc etc.

Certainly doesn't make sense to let the kids decide, kids are fucking stupid at least until they graduate high school.

"like the idea"? It's a general fact- as long as you work hard, persistently, and reasonably smart. No guarantees of bill gates money, but you won't be starving on the streets. "General fact" allows for exceptions, like bad luck/tragedy befalling you, or the laziest, stupidest fucker winning the lotto. But as a whole, it holds up. Work hard, smart, and consistently and you'll make it. Faster in good times, slower in bad.
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You're all entitled peices of shit.

I've lived on 400 a month when I was kicked out of my house at 17. I've succeeded against the odds, and my success is my own.

What audacity to think you're entitled to my money because I have more than you. if I have to pay 30% of my income to the feds every year, why do you think paying 10% of what you make is fair?

This is not counting all the stupid fees and local property taxes I pay every year to local governments, or the 15% for SSI/medicare, which old people get having squandered the money they invested but still feel entitled to my money.

Hey man c'mon

It's tough out there.. looking for the next handout...



No seriously, Pyramid, how fucking broke and lazy are you to defend this shit? In debt for the next 50 years because you didn't learn basic finance? Can't advance from lack of skills?
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"like the idea"? It's a general fact- as long as you work hard, persistently, and reasonably smart. No guarantees of bill gates money, but you won't be starving on the streets. "General fact" allows for exceptions, like bad luck/tragedy befalling you, or the laziest, stupidest fucker winning the lotto. But as a whole, it holds up. Work hard, smart, and consistently and you'll make it. Faster in good times, slower in bad.

adapt or die, survival of the fittest, etc... etc...

You know, shit that has been known for the last 100+ years?
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If you could would you eliminate all welfare and let people die in the streets?
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No seriously, Pyramid, how fucking broke and lazy are you to defend this shit? In debt for the next 50 years because you didn't learn basic finance? Can't advance from lack of skills?

I'd really love to see just how fucking successful and alive you assholes would be if you had actually grown up in the type of society you advocate for.

Hell, I would really like to see you just visit a country that is set up the way you want. Just go there for a few days and look around. Heck, stay for a week and really soak up all the joys of living in a country where the government doesn't spend money on anything but the military. I think it would be a good learning experience for you guys.
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adapt or die, survival of the fittest, etc... etc...

You know, shit that has been known for the last 100+ years?

you're either a complete moron, or a troll. i'm not sure which any more.

either way i'm glad that you do not decide this country's future.
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If you could would you eliminate all welfare and let people die in the streets?

Social Darwinism is the best kind of Eugenics.
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If you could would you eliminate all welfare and let people die in the streets?

Hell fucking no. The approval process would be absolutely ludicrous though would be the difference. As I have said before, if you deserve free money handed to you on a silver platter - you had better fucking be surviving off ramen day by day.
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"like the idea"? It's a general fact- as long as you work hard, persistently, and reasonably smart. No guarantees of bill gates money, but you won't be starving on the streets. "General fact" allows for exceptions, like bad luck/tragedy befalling you, or the laziest, stupidest fucker winning the lotto. But as a whole, it holds up. Work hard, smart, and consistently and you'll make it. Faster in good times, slower in bad.

That really has nothing to do with what we were talking about, but thanks for throwing the ol' bootstraps mantra in there.

Americans don't tend to like the idea of your career path getting determined when you're ~10 years old like they do in Germany. It just goes against our national character. You might end up being perfectly successful from the vocational track, but we like the idea that effort and bootstrapping etc is an option for everybody and so we want to keep all the doors open.
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I'd really love to see just how fucking successful and alive you assholes would be if you had actually grown up in the type of society you advocate for.

Hell, I would really like to see you just visit a country that is set up the way you want. Just go there for a few days and look around. Heck, stay for a week and really soak up all the joys of living in a country where the government doesn't spend money on anything but the military. I think it would be a good learning experience for you guys.

Derp derp, it's amazing what happens when you try. When death is starring at you in the face, it tends to inspire people. Ever wonder why most suicides fail? People such as yourself and all the other rats of the democratic party can't even muster the working strength to finish themselves off.

Pathetic.
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Derp derp, it's amazing what happens when you try. When death is starring at you in the face, it tends to inspire people. Ever wonder why most suicides fail? People such as yourself and all the other rats of the democratic party can't even muster the working strength to finish themselves off.

Pathetic.

your gimmick sucks.
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