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Old 11-04-2012, 07:19 AM JPF_ is offline  
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correction, psychedellics.

This distinction must be made to remain accurate in this context.

Psychedellics are ego dissolving drugs. Whereas other drugs are ego enforcing drugs.

For example, have three shots of silver tequila and you will believe you are the FUCKING MAN. Have a line of cocaine and you will think you own the world. Have a pill of methamphetamine and you will think you are the absolute king, on a level above everyone else.

On the contrary, have 5 grams of mushrooms and you will most likely be in the fetal position praying to god, your mother, your father, anyone you have ever hurt for forgiveness and a new vision fo life. Have 600 ug of LSD and you will be in the lotus position awaiting transcendece from Lord Indra. You might think I'm exaggerating here, but I'm really not.

There is a split here, ego-enforcing drugs and ego-destroying drugs. Psychedellics destroy ego.

Now with that laid out, as for your question if the world is an artificial one, and that artificial world separates us from nature, which ultimately holds the answers to a more fulfilling life. Well artificiality IS ego, anything artificial is held in place by ego. You dissolve ego and out the door goes ANYTHING artificial. In this way, 'drugs' in general don't get rid of ego. You can't shoot up meth, or heroin, or take a shot of tequila, or take a bong rip and destroy your ego. However, 500 ug of pure LSD will demolish your ego, and with that anything artificial will fly out the door, allowing you to see the world which is not artificial.

Now as for the question what have you accomplished so far? Under what pretext of which drug? I am sure there are millions of ADD prescript kiddies that will tell you amphetamine is the GREATEST thing in the world for accomplishing shit, it is an ego enforcing drug, it keeps it place artificial belief structures, artificial ideals, artificial viewpoints of self, and you get ALOT of shit of done on it. However this isn't about ego-reinforcement and artificial perceptions of reality, that video was about psychedelics, ego-destroying drugs, drugs that prohibit your brain from perceiving anything artificial. Which with a destroyed ego, what has one accomplished? Anything worth boasting ones ego about? No, OBVIOUSLY, not. The question you pose is downright silly to me by it's very nature. Has one perhaps gained clear perception of nature beyond the artificiality of culture? I would assume yes, and to anyone who has had such a substance, the notion of anything but that would be downright moronic, but to the moronic mind that is bound to statistics, disregarding first-hand experience, there are not any statistics to be found on the subject. So have specific individuals accomplished after seeing beyond the artificiality of culture? I think the question is stupid. I could quote and point out many a people who had LSD to go on to accomplish great things. On the contrary I could quote and point out many a people who had LSD to do nothing but work at subway their whole life. To notion that LSD is going to be some make or break it substance as per the success of an individual is absurd. That is dependent on the individual, entirely. However despite an individuals success, which is dependent purely on the individual and has nothing to do with what drugs they take in their life, do you think being able to peak your head outside the illusion and artificiality of culture, to see clearly JUST ONCE has value for everyone? I think it does.

thats a load, my ego was always absurd on acid and shrooms. like i'm god and this is my best friend satan and we can do anything.
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thats a load, my ego was always absurd on acid and shrooms. like i'm god and this is my best friend satan and we can do anything.

God is the most ego-less entity in existence. Experience of the godhead is because of ego-loss.

Your mistake in thought was not because your perception was wrong, but rather in your interpretation of the perception, or rather the fact you interpreted at all. You experienced, "I am perceiving myself as God" that is the perception, which you then interpret as "Thus the supposed ego identity I had before is God, as I am my ego-identity and I am now perceiving myself as God", you were then trying to grasp back onto concepts of your old reality, you were attempting to interpret, to form a belief, to create a model of reality, which all models of reality are inherently wrong, only the unaltered stream of incoming immediate felt experience is true.

This is why, even though you gained the perception and realization that you are God, you no longer hold this state of consciousness, because you interpreted it through the ego-identity, you turned it into a model of reality, a belief, something inherently false.

To retain the state of zen, to retain a state of yoga, a state of Union, you must not ever let the incoming stream of perception become something less true than your ego-identity interpretations, beliefs and models of that perception. You can achieve perfect union with all of existence and energy of source, but when you do this, you must allow it to to BE.

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The All-Good Buddha. Your own
consciousness, not formed into anything, No thought, no vision, no color, is void. The intellect shining and
blissful and silent -This is the state of perfect enlightenment. Your own consciousness, shining, void and
inseparable from the great body of radiance, has no birth, nor death. It is the immutable light which the
Tibetans call Buddha Amitabha, The awareness of the formless beginning. Knowing this is enough.
Recognize the voidness of your own consciousness to be Buddhahood. Keep this recognition and you will
maintain the state of the divine mind of the Buddha.

You might actually find this interesting to read, even post-respect, to put a context on the layers of potential consciousnesses you can experience under the influence of such things, Start at Page 44 with "FIRST BARDO INSTRUCTIONS":

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...HxUBJzuhjFn_OQ
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Thank you for clarifying. It makes perfect sense now.
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so was my buddy satan egoless as well?
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