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OP, before you post retarded shit like this:
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Welp - now you have done it libtards. You have taken everything that is good and life - and killed it. Hostess - the company behind Twinkies and Ding Dongs, is now going under thanks to their union of 18k employee's.

At least I can enjoy those sweet juicy tears of over 18,000 retards who think "DUR HUR WE WILL JUST FORM A GROUP AND ASK FOR MONEY OR ELSE LOL!!"

how about you do some research instead?
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Actually, it was years of declining sales, increasing costs and mismanagement. The unions do not simply demand pay and benefits and get it, the managers of the company look over their financials and agree to the contracts as well. Why are they blameless?

The union that went on strike only represented 5000 workers, not the entire 18k-19k employees. Other unions who worked for the company were willing to take steep concessions.

This is not the first time they have filed for bankruptcy. Last time they blamed the low carb trend. And the unions all took concessions last time around. This time around one of the unions wasn't willing to play ball. Probably because they were already owed a billion dollars.

At the same time they were trying to make the unions take massive cuts, they were floating the CEOs pay raises of between 80% and 300%.

OP if you bothered to turn off the fox news and sports for 5 fucking minutes and read SOMETHING, ANYTHING, you'd probably realize that the situation isn't so simple as us vs. them, or liberal vs. conservative. BTW those labels don't even have an absolute definition of political stance, they are relative terms.
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Corporate mismanagement? Must be the fault of those communist union scum!
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OP, before you post retarded shit like this:


how about you do some research instead?


OP if you bothered to turn off the fox news and sports for 5 fucking minutes and read SOMETHING, ANYTHING, you'd probably realize that the situation isn't so simple as us vs. them, or liberal vs. conservative. BTW those labels don't even have an absolute definition of political stance, they are relative terms.

Ohhh yes, I love your JUICY liberal tears of being misguided into only believing what a fuckin' union would tell you

Never would such retarded leftists mention useful things to counter argue... such as.... Their top 4 execs taking a $1 salary for an entire straight year? Noooo... don't mention stuff like that! lulz.
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Stupid unions. Why would you be pissed that Hostess took your self funded pensions and used them to pay their bills...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...ostess-Bankery

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What was this last/best/final offer? You'd never know by watching the main stream media tell the story. So here you go...

1) 8% hourly pay cut in year 1 with additional cuts totaling 27% over 5 years. Currently, I make $16.12 an hour at the TOP rate of pay in the bakery. I would drop to $11.26 in 5 years.
2) They get to keep our $3+ an hour forever.
3) Doubling of weekly insurance premium.
4) Lowering of overall quality of insurance plan.
5) TOTAL withdrawal from ALL pensions. If you don't have it now then you never will.

Remember how I said I made $48,000 in 2005 and $34,000 last year? I would make $25,000 in 5 years if I took their offer.

It will be hard to replace the job I had, but it will be easy to replace the job they were trying to give me.

That $3+ per hour they steal totaled $50 million last year that they never paid us. They sold $2.5 BILLION in product last year. If they can't make this profitable without stealing my money then good riddance.
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Stupid unions. Why would you be pissed that Hostess took your self funded pensions and used them to pay their bills...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...ostess-Bankery

Stupid liberals. Who goes into a job expecting pensions in the first place? Oh yeah, unions
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Ohhh yes, I love your JUICY liberal tears of being misguided into only believing what a fuckin' union would tell you

Never would such retarded leftists mention useful things to counter argue... such as.... Their top 4 execs taking a $1 salary for an entire straight year? Noooo... don't mention stuff like that! lulz.
Salary =/= total compensation
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Stupid liberals. Who goes into a job expecting pensions in the first place? Oh yeah, unions

People who negotiated those pensions in good faith and had them written into a contract agreed upon by both parties.

LOLOLOL, stupid workers, wanting their agreed upon compensation.
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Corporations don't have to live up to their contracts, that'd be socialism or some shit.
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Stupid liberals. Who goes into a job expecting pensions in the first place? Oh yeah, unions

Did you miss the nearly 50% pay cut over 7 years as well? They pushed them from 48k to 34k and were trying to get them all the way down to 25k a year. The company was literally asking their employees to be willing to go from middle class to just above the poverty line.

Would you have taken that deal, Mr. I'm gonna be pulling down $150k?
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Did you miss the nearly 50% pay cut over 7 years as well? They pushed them from 48k to 34k and were trying to get them all the way down to 25k a year. The company was literally asking their employees to be willing to go from middle class to just above the poverty line.

Would you have taken that deal, Mr. I'm gonna be pulling down $150k?

don't attempt to reason with him, he'd probably mutter something to the effect of "phuck unions man, lolololololol, i wanna ride the fast track, bay-BEE."
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Did you miss the nearly 50% pay cut over 7 years as well? They pushed them from 48k to 34k and were trying to get them all the way down to 25k a year. The company was literally asking their employees to be willing to go from middle class to just above the poverty line.

Would you have taken that deal, Mr. I'm gonna be pulling down $150k?

if they weren't so liberal they'd realize they should be glad just to have a job, and that 11.25 an hour is better than not having a job, which they no longer have. spoiled liberal fags.
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if they weren't so liberal they'd realize they should be glad just to have a job, and that 11.25 an hour is better than not having a job, which they no longer have. spoiled liberal fags.

If they weren't so liberal, before the first paycut even occured they would say "Fuck, we need to bail". Instead they keep sticking around making demands that the corporation can't keep. Strangly, that coincides with out welfare system....
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