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The myth that "everyone should go to college"

Sure, not everyone goes to college, but there's no question that more people do now than they did in the past. Neither of my parents or aunts/uncles attended college right out of school; my dad took a couple business and accounting classes at PCC in his 30's, but he doesn't hold a degree or anything. When I was young my parents and my grand parents were constantly urging me to go to college and get a 4-year degree in something. The reason for this is simple when you think about it: My dad is a carpenter/contractor, same for my grandfather, and in throughout their lives, they noticed that everyone that did better financially than them AND had a more comfortable (physically) job all graduated from college. So if you want your child to be successful, and this is the trend that you notice, what else would you expect to happen? So of course they would push me to graduate college, we all want our kids to be better off than we are, and this seemed like a natural way to go about it. My grandpa would sometimes say when I was younger, "Boy, if I could do it all over again I would have gone to college right out of the marine corps. Then I wouldn't have to work so god damn hard as a cabinet maker my whole life."

Based on this, it's understandable why so many people in our society regard it as a given that "my child is going to college" or that "you have to get a degree to be successful". I'm not saying that there isn't any truth to that, but this idea that you should only go to college to get a piece of paper that says you passed is the very root of the problem: students then get pushed to go to college when they may never graduate or even learn any useful skills. Is it any surprise that some students who graduate from high school then have to end up taking an entire year of pre-requisite courses (stuff they COULD have learned in high school if they had removed their cranium from their anus) before they even start studying for their degree program? Worse, they could end up going to some bogus "college" that claims to teach you valuable in-demand skills when really they just teach third-grade history. Thankfully, my parents didn't just push me to "get a degree", they emphasized the importance of actually learning to do something that is marketable or valuable in the process of acquiring the piece of paper.

My state of Oregon has made it a goal to have 80% of the citizenry to have at least a two year degree (40% 2-year, 40% 4-year, the rest high school diploma). When Obama made the statement saying, to the effect, that everyone should go to college, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry because I think the idea is so misguided. (Note I also didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I heard Rick Santorum's response, because his argument against college is even worse than Obama's argument for it.) What the hell do they expect to happen? When you give every single citizen a college degree, suddenly you have glorified idiots with 4 year degrees and massive student loans that can't find a job to support their debt, so they wind up pumping gas for minimum wage. In order for this to even be remotely possible requires a massive lowering of academic standards, to the point that a 4-year degree becomes the new diploma and the diploma becomes (well, already is) worthless.

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The problem is that a lot of people are doing it because it's "what they should" be doing in life. Taking a bunch of shit classes you have no interest in to get a degree you're not sure you want. Why the hell else do you think you can go undeclared for the first year? People should just plan further out for their career or take time off between high school and college to get their shit straight or start down a career path that doesn't require an immediate degree and obtain one later on.
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I agree, and this is coming from someone with a fuck ton of college. It isn't for everyone. And frankly, because of the societal pressure to attend college, the sheer number of students means there are tons of shit universities out there spitting out shit educational programs. I like the German system, to be honest.
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I agree, and this is coming from someone with a fuck ton of college. It isn't for everyone. And frankly, because of the societal pressure to attend college, the sheer number of students means there are tons of shit universities out there spitting out shit educational programs. I like the German system, to be honest.
That's including all the online "universities".
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I was saying this before it was popular. I said it before some guy wrote a book about it.
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college is useless anyway, unless you use it as a ticket to OCS.

OCS? That is one thing where they could drop the college requirement altogether.
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The problem is that a lot of people are doing it because it's "what they should" be doing in life. Taking a bunch of shit classes you have no interest in to get a degree you're not sure you want. Why the hell else do you think you can go undeclared for the first year? People should just plan further out for their career or take time off between high school and college to get their shit straight or start down a career path that doesn't require an immediate degree and obtain one later on.

I so fucking agree.... I teach physics and the type of people you are describing tend to be among my A students. They've already passed through their youthful lust to party all the time and they've all had some sort of work experience that lends itself to their educational goals. I would probably advise my kids to do the same if they didn't already have an idea of what they wanted to do/study.

It's the parents man... that and TV. Parents tell you everyone that was ever successful in history went to college. They have shows ABOUT college on TV that portray your everyday joe in, well, college... cuz, you know, everybody does it, cuz that's just what you do, right?
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I agree, and this is coming from someone with a fuck ton of college. It isn't for everyone. And frankly, because of the societal pressure to attend college, the sheer number of students means there are tons of shit universities out there spitting out shit educational programs. I like the German system, to be honest.

My advisor is German... he's a hardass but it's a good thing
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I do have a four year degree, (ok, 4.5 years) but even so I feel that most degrees don't really prepare you for jack shit...you learn more in your first year of a real job than you ever did trying to stay awake for four years of classes. Of course a person having a degree might mean that they are smarter, more ambitious and harder working than a person without...but that isn't always the case. Having a "degree" as a requirement for applying for a job where any degree will do, (and no real specialization required) is simply laziness and ass covering by HR departments and hiring managers. If the idiot you hired fucks up badly and one of the higher ups comes after the person that hired said individual, they can always use the "well, he did have a degree from X university so I thought it would be a safe hire"

I can honestly say that when I hire a new employee I place much more weight in the areas of experience and how they conduct themselves in the interview rather than degrees. Some of the biggest slacking, entitled fucktards I've had the pleasure of working with through the years have paper from well known institutions of higher learning..
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...you learn more in your first year of a real job than you ever did trying to stay awake for four years of classes...

Playing devil's advocate: what job do you learn Shakespeare in? College isn't strictly vocational school...
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Playing devil's advocate: what job do you learn Shakespeare in? College isn't strictly vocational school...
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how is it that you teach physics but in everyday life you aren't that smart? and I do agree with you on the not everyone should go to college
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I learned a lot in my year of college...

most of it not in class.

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I feel sorry for anyone graduating with a degree today. You'll have better luck learning a trade than paying off your student loan debt for the next thirty years in this economy.
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