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He didn't say it was a guarantee, he said it gave you a better chance.

And it does, unless you go to an expensive school on credit and do a dumb major.

Even still - On an associates (which is what I would call a psychology/liberal arts bachelors ) you can very well snag up assistant desk jobs and other jobs that you otherwise wouldn't get.
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:34 AM s0me0nesmind1 is offline  
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He didn't say it was a guarantee, he said it gave you a better chance.

And it does, unless you go to an expensive school on credit and do a dumb major.

slightly general forum response from me, but somewhat typical of what you can hear out there:

"so why shouldnt my english (with no teaching cert) degree land me a job outside of mcdaddydonalds?!"
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slightly general forum response from me, but somewhat typical of what you can hear out there:

"so why shouldnt my english (with no teaching cert) degree land me a job outside of mcdaddydonalds?!"

There are plenty of places in need of teaching, you have to be willing to move. I had a couple of friends in college (quite a few actually) that immediately went into international teaching.

And like I said - treat it as an associates degree.
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:59 AM s0me0nesmind1 is offline  
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Not always.

Fair enough, they *should*. But if they don't, they'll have their stupid ideas ripped to shit and lose all credibility.
edit: not that ry had any credibility to begin with

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There are plenty of places in need of teaching, you have to be willing to move. I had a couple of friends in college (quite a few actually) that immediately went into international teaching.

And like I said - treat it as an associates degree.

If by "move" you mean "out of the US", then sure. Otherwise teaching at the college level is a hell-bitch of a career right now. Even if you get a job, you'll be doing adjunct teaching with no job security and no benefits. And that's with a PhD.

High school...get a teaching cert and deal with the unions I guess.

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That's just it - you can't. You need to live in a studio apartment with 3 other people. Most people did it in college - rent amounted to around $400-600 per person. Apparently you start a job and that entitles you to be able to afford to live on your own?

The intentions of minimum wage is to live with a roof over your head. Nobody said it wasn't going to the roof of a couple other people too
+1. Why do people have this idea that people on minimum wage deserve to have own place and a vehicle? Live with roommates and take the bus. If you graduated high school, aren't on drugs, and are even VAGUELY professional, you're not going to be at minimum wage for long. Take some night classes or whatever, build some skills, get a better job. Nobody should plan on living at minimum wage, those are only for the lowest skilled and most easily replaced positions.

There's this dumbass meme floating around Facebook showing how many hours you need to work to afford an apartment on minimum wage. All the bleeding hearts are acting like it's immoral to expect a minimum wage worker to share a dwelling. If you've got your own bedroom, life ain't that bad. Deal with it.

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Even still - On an associates (which is what I would call a psychology/liberal arts bachelors ) you can very well snag up assistant desk jobs and other jobs that you otherwise wouldn't get.
The people that really get hosed are the ones that take college classes, get in debt, then never get a degree. "Some college" doesn't help you a fucking bit. We have WAY too many people in that situation.
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slightly general forum response from me, but somewhat typical of what you can hear out there:

"so why shouldnt my english (with no teaching cert) degree land me a job outside of mcdaddydonalds?!"

exactly...
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Well personally OP, I feel that its mostly a result of the huge drive towards consumerism that both pressures and deludes people into the for profit college racket so that they can be more materially or culturally wealthy. No doubt they wish to be validated by a society in which a human beings value is determined by class. Those with the class connections or technical expertise and are materially succesful will continue the vindictive cycle of exploiting and cynically dismissing the struggles of those on the lower level of the pyramid, as per their own experience (or lack thereof) in horrible jobs will attest. Luckily internalizing and repeating the banal propaganda of the system allow individuals such as myself to feel at peace with mine own and others lots, as my semitic overlords assure me this grossly deformed view of human value and purpose is perfectly natural (my good friend Sam will back me up on this). Peace Jews.
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That's just it - you can't. You need to live in a studio apartment with 3 other people. Most people did it in college - rent amounted to around $400-600 per person. Apparently you start a job and that entitles you to be able to afford to live on your own?

The intentions of minimum wage is to live with a roof over your head. Nobody said it wasn't going to the roof of a couple other people too

Even with roommates it cannot be done. Married people can't make it either.

Two reasons for minimum wage: 1) to allow humans to live like humans, not like roaches in your wall; 2) to pump mkney into the economy, which makes the economy stronger and everybody richer.
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Well personally OP, I feel that its mostly a result of the huge drive towards consumerism that both pressures and deludes people into the for profit college racket so that they can be more materially or culturally wealthy. No doubt they wish to be validated by a society in which a human beings value is determined by class. Those with the class connections or technical expertise and are materially succesful will continue the vindictive cycle of exploiting and cynically dismissing the struggles of those on the lower level of the pyramid, as per their own experience (or lack thereof) in horrible jobs will attest. Luckily internalizing and repeating the banal propaganda of the system allow individuals such as myself to feel at peace with mine own and others lots, as my semitic overlords assure me this grossly deformed view of human value and purpose is perfectly natural (my good friend Sam will back me up on this). Peace Jews.

So you're another aryan nazi... great, just what we need.
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Even with roommates it cannot be done. Married people can't make it either.

Two reasons for minimum wage: 1) to allow humans to live like humans, not like roaches in your wall; 2) to pump mkney into the economy, which makes the economy stronger and everybody richer.

And yet, somehow, people survive on minimum wage.
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Even with roommates it cannot be done. Married people can't make it either.

Two reasons for minimum wage: 1) to allow humans to live like humans, not like roaches in your wall; 2) to pump mkney into the economy, which makes the economy stronger and everybody richer.

It can certainly be done. If your retard ass that cuts some wood at Home Depot can afford a home, it can most certainly be done

And who the fuck in their right mind thinks minimum wage equates to livable wage? It was never designed to be so. When Billy gets his first job at 16 bagging groceries, you honestly think that should be enough to be able to afford to move out of his parents house? Typical liberal-minded logic (or lack thereof).
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Does Tex really count as a "liberal?" He's just an anti-corporatist poor person.
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Does Tex really count as a "liberal?" He's just an anti-corporatist poor person.


and if you don't agree with him you are a nazi
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It can certainly be done. If your retard ass that cuts some wood at Home Depot can afford a home, it can most certainly be done

And who the fuck in their right mind thinks minimum wage equates to livable wage? It was never designed to be so. When Billy gets his first job at 16 bagging groceries, you honestly think that should be enough to be able to afford to move out of his parents house? Typical liberal-minded logic (or lack thereof).

you ever eat an 1/8th of psilocybin containing shrooms?
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It can certainly be done. If your retard ass that cuts some wood at Home Depot can afford a home, it can most certainly be done

And who the fuck in their right mind thinks minimum wage equates to livable wage? It was never designed to be so. When Billy gets his first job at 16 bagging groceries, you honestly think that should be enough to be able to afford to move out of his parents house? Typical liberal-minded logic (or lack thereof).

Billy can't work full time at 16, either, so your own argument is voided.

It's simple math, and Christian principles, if you want to go there--I assume you're a "republican conservative", who's all over the party line of "fiscal responsibility, small government, no taxes, no abortion, and God"--require you to take care of those less fortunate than you.

What's that bible quote?? Something about "passing a camel thru the eye of a needle before a rich man will enter heaven"? Or have you joined that new "church" in Washington, that's erased such parts as that, humility over pride, greed is bad mkay; in favor of "he who is successful is highest in the eyes of god, even if he diddle boys"??

ADULTS, with no more than a high-school education, should be able to get any entry-level job, and live on the proceeds. At $15,600 a year gross, much less if paying insurance and taxes, a person canNOT live, without a second or even a third job, depending on towered they live--hell, even $10 an hour isn't enough, unless you live in a slum and hope there is public transportation, which only exists in perhaps 2% of the entire nation. BUT, if same person were getting paid better, enough to have an apartment, a vehicle, and decent food on the table (nothing crazy, just basic), and still have enough for some disposable income to spend on a couple "luxury items": then sales taxes get paid, which means the local infrastructure flourishes, which means local business get more business from the local governments; also, retailers make more money, and need more people, so hire more, and even more money gets made; companies make money, people make money, more taxes get paid, more stuff gets fixed and built, etc., etc.

In other words, the economy flourishes. Everyone is happy. You know, the Clinton era.



Then people like you, the wannabe aristocrats--entitled shits who think the rabble should be ground up into carpet for your Hineyness' delicate feet--decided that the mega millions and billions they had weren't enough, that people were "too happy", and needed to be downtrodden and smashed into pulp, turned into slaves at the whims of you, the lords and masters.

Yeah, no. We will kill you first. And you won't get our guns, motherfucker.
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