Tom Kazansky
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May 01, 2005 #31

welk wrote:The IAEA notes that, while the Chernobyl accident released as much as 400 times the radioactive contamination of the Hiroshima bomb, it was 100 to 1000 times less than the contamination caused by atmospheric nuclear weapons testing in the mid-20th century.
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May 01, 2005 #32

Let's not forget that nuclear weapons don't even have to be used anymore. How? Intimidation will make someone think twice before making a move. For example, I guarantee you Kim Jong Il wont launch a Dong missile at the US as long as he knows his country will be turned into a sheet of glass by two Trident submarines he doesn't have the means to counter. In a way it will open doors to more diplomatic solutions since both sides know they'll lose if they try to slug it out with nuclear arsenals. Very few will be willing to take the first shot in a nuclear conflict in the same way very few are willing to throw the first punch in a school yard fight, choosing instead to push eachother for a while to see if the other will submit without further issue.
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May 01, 2005 #33

:ninja: wrote:sorry, Cilivians didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.


Your example was cute, though try again.
As I understand it there wasn't much of a difference in mindset between japanese "civilians" and japanese military at the time. Everyone was doing their part in the war effort, they just didn't have the materiel to equip every person with a gun and ferry them across the ocean.

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May 01, 2005 #34

Kueller wrote:So, japan gets a couple, italy gets a couple, germany gets a couple, britain gets a couple, france gets a couple, russia gets a couple, we get a couple, poland gets a couple, china gets a couple, finland, estonia, latvia, lithuania, romania, netherlands, belgium, norway, denmark each get 1.

I'm up to 27 nukes so far and I'm sure I missed some countries. You're right, you'd be fine, as long as you lived on a self-sustaining farm.
Most of those countires simply didn't have the associated technology to produce nukes. France, netherland etc etc were already occupied before the science was even there to produce them. Countries that could have produced nukes in ww2 were germany, russia and possibly japan.

Anyway even 27 hiroshima sized bombs wouldn't do much on a global scale. The global radiation wouldn't even be 1000th of the amount released by later tests.
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May 01, 2005 #35

The existance of nuclear weapons alone are a deterant from doing anything that would warrant their use. The bombs that were dropped on Japan remain the only two nuclear weapons to ever be fired in combat. They had to be used on a hostile force at least once to demonstrate their incredible destructive power.

I don't think that the long-term effects of radiation were fully understood back then, but even if they were, consider the thinking: Japan was the enemy. They attacked Pearl Harbour unprovoked and were killing our soldiers. Fuck it if radiation will linger for years, they're the enemy. Long-term thinking plays no part in a war where you fight for the survival of your country, you're just happy to come out alive.

I'm not sure about the justifications today. Obviously they're a retalitory weapon, but who's stupid enough to use one first? If Russia attacked with nuclear weapons, then the ensuring exchange of firepower would essentially destroy earth. Tactical deployment of nuclear weapons? Depending on the fallout, I don't really see a problem, although the employment of 'bunker-buster' style ordinance would probably be better for the PR side of things.
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May 01, 2005 #36

:ninja: wrote:sorry, Cilivians didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.


Your example was cute, though try again.
dude your a fucking idiot really get a clue, the -populations of hiroshima and nagasake were very legitament military targets to be wiped out along with the population, they were both japans biggest industrial centers supporting the japanese war machine

THOSE CIVILIANS BUILT THE PLANES AND EQUIPMENT THAT BOMBED PEARL HARBOR THAT MEANS THEY DID HELP BOMB IT!:tard:

it does not matter if those people did not support the war or was forced to work in those factories, its a shame it had to be done but those 2 industrial centers had to be taken out, just because 100,000 japanese civilians would die does not mean we should not have bombed it so they could keep pumping out ships, airplanes guns and ammunition that would be used to kill americans and make the war longer :tard:
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May 01, 2005 #37

[H]eadupMyAss wrote:dude your a fucking idiot really get a clue, the -populations of hiroshima and nagasake were very legitament military targets to be wiped out along with the population, they were both japans biggest industrial centers supporting the japanese war machine

[SIZE=]THOSE CIVILIANS BUILT THE PLANES AND EQUIPMENT THAT BOMBED PEARL HARBOR THAT MEANS THEY DID HELP BOMB IT! [/SIZE] :tard:

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May 01, 2005 #38

Nano wrote:Nothing.

Ever.

Including japan.
QFT. The effects of nuclear weapons are too indiscriminate and horrific for use by anyone in any instance.
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May 01, 2005 #39

RuHo wrote:*quotes Nano*
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May 01, 2005 #40

:ninja: wrote:sorry, Cilivians didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.


Your example was cute, though try again.
Nagaski was the munition center for the Japanese war machine whereas Hiroshima was the Naval Construction Yard which had produced alot of the Carriers of the Japanese Fleet, the Yamato and not-finished sister ships, hundreds of destroyers and cruisers, etc..
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